How can anyone believe in the pre-existence and incarnation of Yah shua when we find verses like these all over the bible?     

Mk 13:6  Gk text lit reads "... many will come on the name of me saying that I AM  and many they will deceive..." 

Matthew 1:1  Book of genesis ORIGIN, BEGINNING of Yah shua messiah ( Yahs salvation Yah's anointed one)

Matthew 1:18Yah shua messiah (Yah's salvation Yahs anointed one) the (whos) genesis ORIGIN, BEGINNING thusly was   

Yah shua, (Yah's salvation)  DID NOT pre-exist his genesis ORIGIN, BEGINNING according to Matthew 1:1,18  Yah shua DID NOT float down from the sky and enter the womb of Mary...

 John 18:37   ...I (Yah shua) have been brought into existence (Gk from gennao) and have come into the world for this particular purpose... this links the sons beginning of existence with his coming into the world

 Acts 13:33  ...By raising Yah shua up (as Messiah)  ... this is just as described in the second Psalm;  You are my son; TODAY I (Yah veh) have brought you into existence (Gk from gennao)... From Psalm 2:7

 Heb 1:5  Indeed, to which of the angels did Yah veh ever say, You are my son, TODAY I (Yah veh) have brought you into existence (Gr from gennao)  In quoting Psalm 2:7 both Acts 13:33 and Heb 1:5 show Yah shua as having been brought into existence at a particular TODAY, When Yah veh miraculously fathered Yah shua in Marys womb.

 1 John 5:18  ...but the one (Yah shua) who was fathered (the Gk aorist tense of gennao) by Yah veh, continues to keep them (believers) safe... This is a ONE TIME coming into existence of Yah shua as shown by the use of the aorist tense...

Matt 1:20  ...for the child having been fathered (the Gk aorist tence of gennao) IN her (Mary) is by holy spirit

Luke 1:35  To Mary:  For this REASON the child being brought into existence (Gr from gennao) will be holy; he will be called the son of Yah veh.

John 1:12-13 KGV   As many as did except him, He gave the right to become Yah vehs children-to those giving their allegiance *to him (Yah shua)  who was brought into existence (the Gk aorist tense of gennao,) not by common processes nor by human choice nor by husbands decision, but of Yah  veh

 *In harmony with Matthews and Lukes Gospels, this rendering shows that John acknowledged Yah shuas coming into existence as Yah vehs direct  son through a virgin. The basis for this rendering is the 1920 German translation by Albrecht whos notes state:

 I am following here in john 1:13 an extremely old reading found in Irenaeus and Tertullian, the singular verb was begotten referring to Jesus, not to believers, prevailed in text from the second to fourth century in the West, and left important traces in the East also. John confesses expressly here his belief in the virginal begetting and birth of Jesus, which Matthew and Luke describe in mush more detail.

Similarly, the Jerusalem Bible renders the verse as him who was born not out of human stock or urge of the flesh or will of man but of God himself.The New Jerusalem Bible reverts to the old reading but has provided a footnote on this issue.

 So all these texts show that the generation/origin i.e., the being brought into existence, and the coming into existence of Yah shua occurred IN Marys womb and ONLY IN Marys womb and therefore precluding any thought of a pre-existent PERSON who becomes Yah shua.

Spurma transliterated noun, Strongs [G4690 spurma] the seed from which anything develops... From [G4687] something sown that is seed  (including the male spurm) by implication offspring; specifically a remnant...

 Acts 13:22b-23   ...I  (Yah veh) find David of Jesse a man after My (Yah vehs) own heart, who does all My (Yah vehs) will. Of the spurma of this man (David), according to His (Yah vehs) promise, Yah veh raises to Israel a saviour, Yah Shua (Yahs salvation)

Rom 1:3-4   ...concerning His (Yah vehs) son Yah Shua messiah (Yahs salvation Yahs anointed one) our ruler;  who, according to flesh, became (came into being) of the spurma of David; and according to spirit of holiness, determined son of Yah veh in power, by the rising out from the dead (ones):

2 Tim 2:8  ...Remember that Yah Shua messiah (Yahs salvation Yahs anointed one) of the spurma of David was raised out from dead (ones) according to my evangelism:

1 John 3:9   ...Whoever is birthed of Yah veh sins not; because His (Yah vehs)  spurma abides in him: and he cannot sin, because he is birthed of Yah veh.  In this are the children of Yah veh and the children of diabolos (an opposer)  manifest:

Heb 11:11-12   ...By trust Sara also took power to conceive spurma and birthed when she was beyond the season of maturescence; since she deemed Him (Yah veh) who had promised trustworthy.

Heb 3:16  ...For doubtless indeed he (Yah shua) took not hold of angels; but he (Yah shua) took hold of the spurma of Abraham...          

Gal 3:28-29    ...There is neither Yah Hudiy nor Hellene; there is neither bond nor liberated; there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in messiah Yah Shua (Yahs anointed one  Yahs salvation); and if you are of messiah (Yahs anointed one) then you of the spurma of Abraham and heirs according to the promise...

-- Edited by sonofYah on Sunday 17th of March 2019 04:56:39 AM